personal anecdotes about money

when clients try to shame you for asserting your price or terms

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in my view, shame is most often— if not always— a manipulation tool we’ve inherited from our oppressors. as a tactic, it functions to defer our own weight onto others when we see no other option, when we know no other way; so out of desperation, we adopt a way that is reckless, impulsive, and uncompassionate. a reflection on the various ways we employ and experience shame is a note for another day, though. in the meantime, holler at brené brown, whose research also happens to indicate that shame is an ineffective tool for long term change.

today, i want to continue the conversation from last time on honoring our contributions and being unabashed in naming our price. this time from the perspective of when people try to shame you for stating your price or outlining your terms because they think it’s too much or that you don’t deserve it.

for those of you who may be experimenting with asking for more at work or asserting any variety of your needs and wants in life, your journey may well include people who inadvertently project their limitations onto you in interest of “teaching” or “protecting” you. these people may include friends, family members, clients, colleagues, acquaintances, public figures, teachers. they may want to instruct you on:

  • the extent of your personal worth

  • the ceiling of your work’s value

  • what you should or should not ask for

  • what you are and are not ready for

  • where you should be more “humble”

  • where you should expect less

  • where you should put your head down and be grateful

  • where you should be silent

  • where you should limit your needs and wants

while often well intentioned and perhaps even holding grains of truth, these are not assessments others get to make for us. and to be real, a lot of workplace and industry norms are toxic as fuck. so bye.

yes, be actual humble. yes, don’t be an entitled ass. yes, some things take time and experience.

but also, i’ll take my standards without shame, thank you. and— don’t prescribe your reality onto mine.

then! then there are the people who are somehow threatened by you standing in your worth— often subconsciously. and they will knowingly or unknowingly be very mean as a result.

what follows are four vignettes from across my ten years as a photographer when people tried to shame me for asserting my price or terms.

2009. the party promoter friend.

within the first year of me shooting, i became a regular photographer for a friend’s party. after successfully shooting their first two or three parties for free or no more than $50 (my memory isn’t the best), i had a meeting with him to discuss making me the party’s resident photographer and to negotiate a new fee.

when i stated my price, which i felt was reasonable— probably something like $200-300 for four or five hours of shooting— my friend scoffed. he said they could get a photographer from the fader magazine to shoot the party for free or very little.

i honestly can’t remember if i agreed to his shit price and if i kept shooting the party or not. but i do remember that i smelled the manipulation from a mile away; if he loved the fader photographer so much, why wasn’t he talking to them instead? i also knew that he was name dropping a photographer from a popular magazine in attempts to shame a newbie photographer like me who he thought shouldn’t have dared to ask for more than a few more pennies.

i remember leaving that meeting thinking less of that friend instead of myself. 

2012. the musician.

i was elated when someone whose music i loved happened to catch wind of my photography and said he wanted to work together one day. a couple years later, he came to my town to shoot with me. because he didn’t have a financial budget, we agreed on a barter situation with somewhat of an open-ended timeline for his part.

when something like a year passed and we hadn’t had as much as a follow-up meeting to discuss his end of the barter (after a few attempts on my end), i reached out to ask about his planned timeline to publish the photos as the project he initially wanted to use them for kept getting delayed. since we hadn’t made traction on completing our exchange, i was hoping to at least be able to use the images in my portfolio sooner than later and emailed to ask what he thought about that.

after radio silence from him for several months and assuming i’d been brushed off, i emailed him again to let him know that i’d be publishing a few of the photos to my website. while understandable that he was upset about me making a unilateral decision about the photos, he took his frustration as an opportunity to tell me how long he’d been in business and that i didn’t have the resume to dictate the terms of an agreement. more than anything, this felt like a hollow, cheap blow.

he also made a point to offer character assessments about me and tell me that he ‘didn’t like me anyway.’ kind of like when a child gets mad and then tells the other person, “well, you’re ugly!”

regardless of any merits his side of the story may have held, i remember being so put off by the idea that one has to have a certain kind of resume or seniority in order to have a right to assert their standards, terms, or needs. it’s antiquated bullshit that i’ll never get with.

my work was good enough to take his photo but my resume wasn’t good enough to assert what i wanted? does not compute.

2017. the girl boss startup founder.

i met this brilliant lady founder at a women’s community space; she looked at my work on her phone on the spot and was immediately impressed; making a point to emphasize how picky she was, her history in advertising, and how exceptional my work was. i appreciated being seen in that way and felt we had really established a mutual sense of respect and good will. so when she later suggested we shoot her new campaign together, i was all about it.

early in our meeting, it became quite clear that she didn’t have much of a budget. and because i was such a fan of her, her brand, and her creative direction, i was down to do the shoot as a portfolio project and to help build a relationship with her.

i told her to not worry about budget and to just walk me through the parameters of the project. throughout, she kept trying to press me about price and i kept telling her that even if we did the shoot for free or at cost, i’d be down— i just wanted to build and collaborate.

finally, when she kept pushing, i relented. i told her that my actual fee would be in the tens of thousands of dollars, but that i could give her some sort of stipend rate if she was insisting on paying me something. i probably gave her a figure anywhere from $1000-5000.

just like my friend in 2009, she scoffed and said something like, “i have a photographer who’s shot for vogue do my campaigns for $500.” never mind that vogue is known to rarely pay their photographers or often pays shit when they do. also, when i researched later, i came to find that said photographer shot for teen vogue (which is an incredible publication, but that’s besides the point here).

this woman went out of her way to try and make me feel ashamed for naming a heavily discounted rate that she repeatedly insisted i offer. after i’d already said i’d shoot for free. what are people— really? don’t take the bait, bb’s! sometimes people who you think should know better, people you think are comrades, people you look up to— are also supremely basic.

2019. the artist.

this one was avoidable and definitely a lesson for me. a client wanted some portraits for an upcoming project. simple enough. but their usage needs for the photos were new for me and required that i research the appropriate licensing fees. because the client had limited information available on some usage parameters i’d requested, it became harder to come up with my fee and delayed my pricing process.

in the meantime, because i was really excited about this person and was really rooting for their work, i began planning conversations about the shoot with them in good faith— before finalizing the price. i also gave them much more of my time than i normally would have because i felt a certain kinship with this person and really wanted to support them.

where i really messed up is when i agreed to schedule the shoot without having finalized the price. i made clear over the phone and also in writing that i’d take a deposit to cover the shoot time and then be in touch about the per image licensing fee asap. they agreed.

because i wanted to— i took my time with the shoot (more than they’d paid for), offered them food, and even chatted with them in my home for a couple hours after the shoot.

when i ultimately sent over my per image licensing rates, they were appalled and told me they’d already paid in full. they informed me they’d spoken with a lawyer friend and seemed to be threatening legal action. somewhere in there was also a phone conversation where they basically yelled at me and insulted me. and, naturally, the legal information they obtained about copyright was false— photography copyright law is much more nuanced than people, including lawyers, realize.

nonetheless, they decided to use their working understanding of copyright to slight my work—insinuating that a photo was just a photo and not actually art. and that therefore i didn’t have an artist’s rights over my own work. cute.

the way this person went from 0-100 felt like a trauma response related to something much deeper. something that had nothing to do with me. so i decided that de-escalation and removing myself from the situation as swiftly as possible was the wisest course of action. so that’s what i did. i think i might have even refunded them their money because i wanted a clean break from their energy.

my lesson: never start on a project before fully confirming the rate and terms. even if you think you’re friendly.

the takeaway.

interesting to note is that each of these people held at least one, if not several marginalized identities— some of which we shared— and yet still felt compelled to try and knock me down a couple notches. our internalized oppression and trauma responses are really something, y’all.

even though these folks tried their best to pull me down, i never let their manipulations convince me that my work was worth less.  despite being someone who often questions myself, i tend to hold the line when i’m in business mode. i don’t fully know why, but it is what it is. maybe it’s an exercise in trying to remind myself that i am worthy, even if i don’t always believe it— an attempt to work from the outside in.

these instances, instead of being about me, are about the limited imaginations and/or insecurities of others. they illustrate how people will sometimes resort to consciously or unconsciously causing harm to others in order to preserve their own egos and maintain a certain sense of security.

people can have a hard time seeing others win in ways they deep down question they ever could; the audacity to stand in your worth can feel like an affront, so they project their shame and unresolved sense of inadequacy onto you.

some people can only feel up when others are down, as they say.

“how dare this rookie make demands when i never did? when my idols and mentors never did?”

that’s on them— not you.

their shame is not yours. cancel that noise.

asking is the first rule of negotiation: women, femmes, creatives, and people of color need to do it better.

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a couple weeks ago, i spoke on holisticism’s money & spirituality panel for their summer solstice festival. while i don’t have the most to say about the relationship between money and spirituality, i can sometimes have a lot to say about the variety of ways that creatives, women, and femmes— particularly those of color— grossly undervalue themselves. and that hits me on a spiritual level.

as a creative who is fortunate enough to have some solid business skills, witnessing how we often play ourselves and get played at work tends to bring up a lot for me. so let’s go ahead and get this part clear up front: unabashedly claiming your space and worth in this world, including at work, is actually spiritual as hell. and that’s what we’re touching on today— specifically from the perspectives of negotiation and monies.

i shared on the panel that while accessible pricing is one important mindful money consideration, so is making sure that overall you’re getting paid well for the value you offer— and not underestimating what that might be worth in dollars. if you don’t assert your worth, no one else will do it for you. as i first learned in business school and later confirmed as an entrepreneur who hires other creatives, women and femmes often settle for way too less, way too often. add to that if you’re a person of color? that “play small” program, which itself is a machination of systemic oppression, is a tough ride.

but we're not going to hold onto that shit. we are throwing that shit in the trash and taking back our agency wherever we can, the best we can. please and thank you.

after observing how my college negotiations class interacted with each other, i developed a hunch that women negotiated differently than men and decided to write my class paper on the topic. come to find out, there was a whole ass book about it called women don’t ask. the essential premise is that women are generally conditioned to be agreeable, deferential, polite, unburdensome, etc— and for that reason, women often don’t even think to ask for what they want.

the first rule of negotiation? ask. if you don’t ask, you can almost count on not receiving what you’re looking for. the bigger find: you’d be surprised how often simply asking results in you getting what you want— or at least something close to it. though the book is fairly redundant, i recommend the read if you feel like you need a pep talk to build up your courage to ask for what you want and need in any area of life. and with that, here’s a personal anecdote to inspire you to ask for what you deserve more often:

a couple years ago, i was asked by a women’s community space to host a 5-6 hour event meant to celebrate the season premiere of a major network tv show. i was also to devise and lead a mini workshop and introduce a big name keynote speaker for the event. there would be food and drinks and sound baths, too— the works. they offered me $500.

understanding the scope of the event, that there was a major brand partner and speaker involved, and various frills to make the event fancy, i knew there had to be more money involved. given that they reached out to me last minute, i knew there was a possibility they had potentially tried to go for a more well known host than me and ran out of budget to afford them. i also knew they probably thought that the average person would be thrilled at the opportunity alone and that the $500 would just feel like icing on the cake. 

even though i hadn’t done a gig quite like this before, i knew i’d do it well and used my general sense of hourly rates across industry to come up with a figure. an aside: as someone who works across functions and industries, i’ve found that to a certain degree, any kind of high quality skilled work when you’re a contractor or solopreneur can be roughly distilled to a broad median hourly rate; offhand, i’d put that range at $200-1000/hr. you can also use these figures as a consideration when calculating a flat rate or any kind of rate. so, straight-faced, i sent them an email countering with $3000. they came back and offered me $2500— five times the initial rate.

though such a stark jump in rate is rare for me, this was not the first or last time i received a multiple of what i’d initially been offered after simply asking. i’m talking 2x and 3x. on the smaller but still very significant side, after politely countering with a higher fee range, i recently received about 40% above the initial client offer for a project i’m currently amidst. and for y’all in college, i took an initial $15/hr offer for a summer internship and made it a $30/hr offer after demonstrating my case for why i thought my credentials and experience warranted a higher rate. in the end, undergrad me ended up beating out MBA students from prestigious institutions for the gig, too.

it’s important to note that sometimes our ask needs to come with some client education; for example, a thoughtful explanation of everything you’re offering and pulling back the curtain on all that goes into your work can often be helpful. but for that hosting gig i shared about, i didn’t need to explain— the client probably knew they were being cheap and they also knew i’d been a great facilitator for other events in their space.

the morals of this story:

  • trust that many clients and employers will try to play you on rates and wages because they’ve gotten away with it many times over with other folks who didn’t know what they can and should be paid.

  • if you’re a person of a marginalized identity of any sort, it’s often likely that at least some sort of implicit bias is going to come into play with what kind of offer you get. the same applies if you’re working with private clients who may also be subconsciously primed to believe your work is worth less (even if the conscious part of them totally doesn’t believe that!). i say: let’s un-prime ‘em and recondition folks who have the means to, to pay us better.

  • allow yourself to imagine something bigger and/or better for yourself, even if it feels foreign or awkward. step outside of yourself and play a role if you need to. pretend your work and the value it offers were ascribed to a friend; witness the exquisite magic of that work and really meditate on the time, effort, and wisdom that was required to bring that work forth. how much could or should that friend (that is you!) charge?

  • don’t believe whack ass quotes as a reflection of what your work is worth; *you* know the real answer here. even though it can sometimes take time to get paid what you believe you deserve, don’t let anyone decide that amount for you.

  • don’t be afraid to ask! don’t be afraid to be brazen! particularly when you feel you have a well reasoned rationale and when that big ass number feels right to your spirit and settles nicely in your gut.

i hope you’ve found some medicine here. <3